All low handicapper great short game player I know know how to use vertical hinging, throwaways in their chip and pitches, almost all by experiences. And get them closer to the green. The bounce really helps in cushioned lies, even soft turfs, making the club bounce/glides off the thick turf / rough instead of digging or twisting in the rough.
But its not necessary that the hand is ahead at impact we cannot get the bounce working correctly. Just get a bigger bounce .... or wider flange.. IMPO. Instead of digging in fat pitch ( which we shouldn't by the way) it will bounce and glide. Let the equipment work for us.
Of course we can use a good compression, the ball compress great,roll fast, and stop fast around the green with some practice. But I now realized its not as forgiving..There are players like these,and I used to play this way, but the score is streaky. SOFT , 2m2 /4 , low acceleration is the key( even with a flat left wrist and correct aligment) to consistencies /predictable again I agree with Stan on this point.
Though... i am not sure to agree about the ground then the ball,Not sure what he meant by that.. its in my incubator.
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All low handicapper great short game player I know know how to use vertical hinging, throwaways in their chip and pitches, almost all by experiences. And get them closer to the green. The bounce really helps in cushioned lies, even soft turfs, making the club bounce/glides off the thick turf / rough instead of digging or twisting in the rough.
But its not necessary that the hand is ahead at impact we cannot get the bounce working correctly. Just get a bigger bounce .... or wider flange.. IMPO. Instead of digging in fat pitch ( which we shouldn't by the way) it will bounce and glide. Let the equipment work for us.
Of course we can use a good compression, the ball compress great,roll fast, and stop fast around the green with some practice. But I now realized its not as forgiving..There are players like these,and I used to play this way, but the score is streaky. SOFT , 2m2 /4 , low acceleration is the key( even with a flat left wrist and correct aligment) to consistencies /predictable again I agree with Stan on this point.
Though... i am not sure to agree about the ground then the ball,Not sure what he meant by that.. its in my incubator.
The thing about his pitch shots though, which is an adjustment, is the amount of run out they have. Because this technique reduces spin, you must play for the amount of run out to get the ball close to the pin.
Conceptually, I like the simplicity of the motion. Additionally, I like the pitch shot with the pin back, and even flop/lobs from the rough (although, you must adjust ball position forward and open your stance, which he dosent advocate). On tighter pin placements though, I am not sure this is the best option, I think pinching the ball give you a better chance at getting it close.
I like his chipping though, simple, and predictable motion. Also, the use of one club rather than several, is great.
I didn't think of it that way ... No expert in this but... what my experiences is, ( which is not much anyway) vertical hinging and throwaway make the shots land extremely soft and green stopping than hard compression spinning shots
Hard compression shots easily bounce and check to the unpredictable directions. Especially if the landing area is curvy .. or not flat. I am just talking within 50 yards...
Those hackers can really score around the green.... with ugly steering , and thinking the club should travel straight in straight through scooping action.. Ugly to watch but.. the results... . They don't have a long game but they can score around the green with enough practice.
Just my unprofessional opinion though
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I didn't think of it that way ... No expert in this but... what my experiences is, ( which is not much anyway) vertical hinging and throwaway make the shots land extremely soft and green stopping than hard compression spinning shots
Hard compression shots easily bounce and check to the unpredictable directions. Especially if the landing area is curvy .. or not flat. I am just talking within 50 yards...
Those hackers can really score around the green.... with ugly steering , and thinking the club should travel straight in straight through scooping action.. Ugly to watch but.. the results... . They don't have a long game but they can score around the green with enough practice.
Just my unprofessional opinion though
I was talking about the shaft being vertical to the ground and impact, so there may be ever so slight of a flat left wrist at impact. I summize thats Utleys technique is more of a "draw" motion (inside to inside swing, with mid ball position), with the body pivot doing the work.
Certainly, if you add throwaway, which many times is needed, you will soften the shot, and have little run-out.
Think of the courses we play and for those who do not always hit the green we have 4 places we can miss (excluding bunkers), short where we are on fairway type grass, or left, right, or past the green, where we are more likely to find some rough. And its from the rough that we need height to land the ball and allow it to run (or not run depending on the distance we have to throw it way up in the air) to the hole. Spin from the rough is tougher to come by. So, I think these are the areas that are ripe for the cuts, lobs, flops, and........throwaway!
Now question is,, how to have flat left wrist and center ball position and a vertical shaft ...at impact ... hum....
Also in chipping many teacher including Tom Tomasello uses Heel up ... cool way to use a bounce isn't it?
....Not quite vertical, and certainly not "hitting" down on the ball.
The cool thing about the book for me, is it forces me to think of options....and when it comes to short game, you must be creative, imaginative, and have an arsenal of shots for the situation at hand.
BTW, I am sure Seve B, (a short game guru), used throwaway quite a bit.
If you look at his pictures and then compare it to the text, it doesn't track too well.
The idea of having a cup wrist for pitch shots, cupping the wrist on the backstroke, bowing the wrist for chips to control trajectory, minimal shaft leaning on chips while even advocating laying back the shaft on pitches makes his technique appear to be more complex than needed. Then we take the changes at address position with the hands lower, etc....
On my second read. I think he has done a great job on identify faults and causes, but his written technique vs pictures along with some catch words seems off to me.
He beleives the pitch shot is high, little spin, lands softly and stops. He seems to be very much anti-back spin and pro-trajectory and run out.
Seve B ... in some of his video in some magazines somewhere.. remember him saying soft arms, left arm must Bend after impact ... to aid softer shots... so ... no extensor action with chicken wing? ...
We need to keep an open mind. this short game thingie is making me confused cuckle
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I was talking about the shaft being vertical to the ground and impact, so there may be ever so slight of a flat left wrist at impact. I summize thats Utleys technique is more of a "draw" motion (inside to inside swing, with mid ball position), with the body pivot doing the work.
Certainly, if you add throwaway, which many times is needed, you will soften the shot, and have little run-out.
Think of the courses we play and for those who do not always hit the green we have 4 places we can miss (excluding bunkers), short where we are on fairway type grass, or left, right, or past the green, where we are more likely to find some rough. And its from the rough that we need height to land the ball and allow it to run (or not run depending on the distance we have to throw it way up in the air) to the hole. Spin from the rough is tougher to come by. So, I think these are the areas that are ripe for the cuts, lobs, flops, and........throwaway!
You could also play all the above shots WITHOUT throwaway
. They don't have a long game but they can score around the green with enough practice.
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